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Post by The Rogue on Dec 15, 2006 21:41:33 GMT -5
And of course the General Board stays...
OK. We have a good plan, but I have a feeling that it isn't good enough. We should do what you're doing, just add another interesting section of the forum. Not only will that provide more variety, but more members and definitely more posts.
One things I've noticed about this forum. It's that it never seems to do well when it's only about one thing.
I suggest bringing back the 3D Animations boards for that general section you spoke of.
Right now I have no idea what we should do should you agree with my idea of adding variety.
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Post by Raistlin Majere on Dec 15, 2006 21:57:32 GMT -5
Its quite simple. I'll state it bluntly. Ive gotten back into programming. And decided to base the forum, and mainsite on programming. That certainly sounds like a programming site. Misunderstanding? I suppose this idea could work. And realistically, it couldn't get a great deal worse than it is right now post-wise. We've got to try something, but I wonder if something like this will really boost post count if you're just adding one new theme. While you're at it, though, we should employ other methods as well. Creating some new boards (We talked about a Sci-Fi/Fantasy board, but we'll need more members for that, too.) or standard advertising.
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Post by The Rogue on Dec 15, 2006 22:14:29 GMT -5
I agree. We can't just come up with one idea and go through with it anymore. We already know from experience that that does not work. We need multiple ideas. We need more variety. And I mean VARIETY. Not just a board about one thing and then another board about the same thing in general. That doesn't work.
We need to do that first before we do ANY advertising. So, this place is going to get quiet for a while, at least quieter. But the changes must be made first. After that comes advertising. Just like you wouldn't sell a half-made Playstation 3. It just doesn't work.
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Post by Reno on Dec 15, 2006 22:36:51 GMT -5
Well, this place defantly isnt becomming a general, talk about ewverything forum. It needs a direct theme, and this one I can make work. The changes will take awhile, as for getting quieter, I cant really see it happening, since its as quiet as its going to get.
Your just going to have to trust me on this one. No varaity boards, theres Proboards support for that.
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Post by The Rogue on Dec 15, 2006 22:41:36 GMT -5
So once again this forum will be about one thing? Doc, it's not going to work. It hasn't worked yet! And it's been almost 2 years! We need to try something else! We should make it about 2 things that are similar but still distinctly different.
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Post by Reno on Dec 15, 2006 22:46:49 GMT -5
Its not going to be about one thing. If it was about one thing, you'd all be posting strictly about LOST right now. The conversion will be massive, and could yeild massive results. And even if it didnt succeed, at least I tried, instead of sitting thier doubting all the time
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Post by The Rogue on Dec 15, 2006 22:50:54 GMT -5
Well, I'm not including the general board. Right now this is about one thing. LOST. BNN was about one thing. Crash. We need to have like more sections for different things. So say you have a section of the forum devoted to your games. Let's have another section of the forum about...say...other major projects. It allows more variety, even though it's still quite the same.
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Post by Reno on Dec 16, 2006 0:42:54 GMT -5
|Thats what it is! I posted it multiple times: " A large part will be about upcomming games, released games I made, ect, The other part will be about creations in general, resources, music, ect. "
Its not just going to be about my games. Its going to be ALOT bigger than that.
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Post by Raistlin Majere on Dec 16, 2006 2:12:05 GMT -5
Let's everyone take a breath. Now, in theory its a good idea to have the forum based on member-made projects in general. It worked here (For a while, at any rate) for the wallpaper thread, but it of course eventually died. The pencil drawings worked in a smaller sense, and TMP posted a piece of writing or two (Or rather was willing to PM it). Point being that it could work, but variety is necessary, so that submissions aren't limited to just people who own Photoshop or Game Maker. We need to make it so that anyone who has a computer (Yes, Macs count) and a word processor would be able to do SOMETHING, while people with special programs can do something ELSE. So yes, we need more than games, like myself, Reno, GS (Well, everybody) suggests. Eventually, if a system gets worked out, it would most likely be that the staff members most experienced with a particular kind of creation would be the moderators and overseers of that section. Some staff would obviously fit into more than one category, but all is in the future. Adding a new board or two and hoping random people decide to visit to take a look isn't good enough, but it is in my opinion that we must monitor carefully how much we affiliate with other sites. Depending on which way the wind blows, there is potential here, but what about the old fashioned standard advertising? It wouldn't summon hordes of members here, but its something. Further thought into this change is needed, but not so much that the idea fades into the background. What we need, I think is for the members here right now to prepare some projects that they consider their best or start new ones, so that we can start with as large a variety as possible and go from there, if this idea goes forward.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Dec 16, 2006 3:10:35 GMT -5
Your suggestion is sound Ras. Starting projects to get everything started won't be too much of a problem. TMP I know has many writing compositions and I have many projects, completed yet not revealed and unfinished projects alike. I would tend to agree with GS and Ras with their views on variety. Like Ras mentioned, his wallpaper topic died down because almost no one else was able to make them or everyone had other projects in mind. The other members could only give so many comments about the products until it started to sound repetitive and eventually lose meaning. Too much focus on one particular topic would do that in a similar fashion. Sure it would work out fine at first but, with that as our only topic, it won't take long to suck everything out of it. Lost was exposed to that. We sucked so much out of that, that it has hardly been touched lately.
I know you plan to make it huge Reno, so my assumptions about the lack of variety might be incorrect. Either way, I'm anxious to see what this forum will look like after you've done some work on it. Since you have confidence in your idea, you should try it. If it fails, then you could just look back on this topic and make other changes that were suggested here as you see fit.
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Post by The Rogue on Dec 16, 2006 14:56:25 GMT -5
Indeed. I don't know how much variety you have in your idea, but from what you're saying on the forums, it seems...limited. Now, granted it's very hard to tell just from reading on the forums. But yes, having the forum with just a general board and another subject just isn't enough. We've seen that with Lost and we've seen it with Crash. The one place to really see that is this general board. Just look at the number of posts it has compared with the number of posts the forum has.
I will agree with what Mal just said at the end of his post. Go through with your idea, but if it seems to fail, come here to this topic and get some ideas for changes.
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Post by Raistlin Majere on Dec 18, 2006 22:23:18 GMT -5
Then we are agreed. It is my opinion that we should add all the changes you wish to suggest all at one time. The first time the forum changed, there wasn't enough new material to warrant a completely new look at the site. This time, we should add all the new boards that you've been talking about to give the site its best chance of success. If possible, that would include ideas like the Fantasy/Sci-Fi boards, and boards for all the different types of projects that will be featured.
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Post by The Rogue on Dec 18, 2006 22:32:32 GMT -5
And, I also suggest taking the Old Boards board, and splitting it up. Take all of the categories that we used in the past and do something like this:
Crash Bandicoot Board --Sub-board --Sub-board --Sub-board
3d/Animations Board --Sub-board --Sub-board --Sub-board
Lost Board --Sub-board --Sub-board --Sub-board --(however many sub-boards there would be)
*insert new forum name here* Board --Sub-board --Sub-board
That's what I suggest. Instead of looking at the Old Boards section. Nobody new really knows what's in there.
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Post by Raistlin Majere on Dec 18, 2006 22:48:55 GMT -5
Additions will likely be made here and there, but the layout should be something similar. Its a sensible design, and we'll try to accomodate. Unfortunately for us, there's little more to be done but to think, wait, and watch.
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Post by The Rogue on Dec 18, 2006 22:51:11 GMT -5
I think we should come up with some more ideas for additions over the break, and put the plan into action near the break's end. Around there, more people will be returning home from vacationing. That's when we spread the word. Not now.
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