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Justice
Jan 27, 2007 0:35:41 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Jan 27, 2007 0:35:41 GMT -5
Oh the wonderful flaws of the justice system. Some of them are pitiful yet kind of funny and others could be infuriating. For example: In self defense, if someone comes charging at you with a knife and you find a gun or some other superior weapon just lying around (Hypothetically) and you use it to defend yourself, you would be more likely to end up in jail than your attacker. Why should that be so? If someone is trying to kill with a knife and you have a gun, then he deserved to get shot for being stupid enough to attack you. As for you, you would have acted to preserve your life when confronted with a threat, and yet the justice system says that you can only defend yourself under certain conditions. I agree that some limit should be set. You should not be able to mutilate or use excessive violence, but why should you be charged for trying to protect yourself? It was not you who committed the crime after all.
As for some pitiful yet somewhat amusing examples, I'm sure many of you remember the incident with that person who bought coffee from Mc Donalds, and later sued Mc Donalds because she (I think it was a she) spilled that hot coffee on herself. I don't remember if she won or not but if she did, then all I have to say is this: How dumb do you have to be? What did you expect? Coffee is served hot, and if you spill it on yourself its going to hurt and who's fault is it? IT"S YOUR FAULT. Not Mc Donald's, but your fault. You were not the first person to spill coffee on yourself, but you were the first to complain whine about it. If you won that trial, then congratulations, you have been rewarded for your stupidity. This is just one example of how people sue someone else for the most ridiculous of reasons just to make a cheap buck. There was another incident that describes how easy it is to sue. I've heard that a thief tried tried to rob some old lady's house, but he slipped on her drive way and he later sued the old lady for having and icy drive way. How can people get away with things like this?
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Justice
Jan 27, 2007 9:36:51 GMT -5
Post by buttonpresser4815 on Jan 27, 2007 9:36:51 GMT -5
Ah yes, I have heard about many cases in the judicial system like yours. One is that a thief broke into a family's house on vacation, but he got stuck in their garage somehow, and he had to eat dogfood the whole time, and he sued the family and won. There are just some lawyers out there who know the entire system over and they are able to exploit every rule, and the higher the defendant's pay, the more skills they will use to sue. It's a sad but true fact.
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Justice
Jan 27, 2007 20:38:42 GMT -5
Post by The Rogue on Jan 27, 2007 20:38:42 GMT -5
That's why I hate democracy. It's bullcrap and everyone bends and twists everything for personal gain of money. That's what democracy is about. Money. I don't know how many times I've said this before, but it's all about money.
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Justice
Jan 28, 2007 3:31:31 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Jan 28, 2007 3:31:31 GMT -5
You have said it many times, but with good reason: People are always looking to make money, no matter what they have to do to get it. In the early stages of development of democracy, it was supposed to be a system devoid of corruption and cannot be faltered by a mere bribe. Those who lived to see the grand beginnings of democracy would be ashamed of what its become now. How could we rely on a government system and a justice system that is always on the look out for personal gain?
I find it annoying that its usually the one with the best lawyer who wins the trial even if they are guilty. It's a good idea to have a defense but to twist the truth is a tad far. What I still find even more annoying is how criminals like the one you mentioned Hari are getting away with ridiculous accusations when it was he/she who was at fault. Pointless trials like the Mc. Donalds incident should not even be considered! Why should the justice system have to waste its time on people who complain about mundane things? Such trials should be disposed of as the worthless trash they are.
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Justice
Jan 28, 2007 13:17:20 GMT -5
Post by The Rogue on Jan 28, 2007 13:17:20 GMT -5
HERE HERE!! The Judicial system in democracy is crap. Heck, even Saddam Hussein's judicial system was better. And the sad thing is that in the US Supreme Court, all justices are appointed for life.
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Justice
Jan 29, 2007 22:35:50 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Jan 29, 2007 22:35:50 GMT -5
Congratulations, you have just discovered the true goal of every government, democracy or not. Surely it isn't being said that a dictatorship or a communist government would be in posession of a more generous justice system? Believe this, that if you are looking for a government that is less greedy and money-hungry than American democracy, you will not find it in a communism or dictatorship. They are even more obsessed with money than most democracies, or at just as greedy, if you prefer, simply more honest about it since they have practically no public appearances to keep up. We are agreed, though, that people will sue over anything these days, just to make money. Oh yes, it is, of course justified by everyone's little sob story, but you would be hard pressed to find someone in a courtroom who wasn't there for the express purpose to siphon money from the pockets from someone they have a grudge against. It is disgusting how it has all degenerated into base, whining squabbling. In fact, there are people entrenched in practically every organization, corporation, company, office, etc. who wend their way into the heirarchy to make an extra bundle of cash. All so delightfully meaningless, is it not? The word "justice" doesn't have meaning anymore, it is simply a synonym for "money-making lawsuit" today.
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Justice
Jan 29, 2007 23:32:53 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Jan 29, 2007 23:32:53 GMT -5
And on top of that, the corruption is so embedded into the system, that prying it out could mean chaos and much disorder before a replacement system can be made.
I would have to agree with Raistlin on the point that a communist or a dictatorship party could be just as corrupt and greedy as a democracy. Very little has convinced me otherwise, but on the other hand I have little knowledge on the politics of such countries.
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Justice
Jan 30, 2007 16:07:48 GMT -5
Post by The Rogue on Jan 30, 2007 16:07:48 GMT -5
It may even go as far as Anarchy if you truly wanted to purge the system of corrumption.
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Justice
Jan 31, 2007 23:44:45 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Jan 31, 2007 23:44:45 GMT -5
And anarchy is something that everyone hopes to avoid, which is another reason why the corrupted system is still intact. It would be no different from removing a dagger from your body: It would be best to keep it in, at least until it can get treated.
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Justice
Feb 1, 2007 18:05:58 GMT -5
Post by The Rogue on Feb 1, 2007 18:05:58 GMT -5
And the time to do that is NOW! And apparently, the only people who realize it are the jihads, although I do not approve of their methods of "ridding the world of corruption".
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Post by Jarlaxle on Feb 7, 2007 0:24:15 GMT -5
And just what are their methods exactly?
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Justice
Feb 10, 2007 16:33:11 GMT -5
Post by buttonpresser4815 on Feb 10, 2007 16:33:11 GMT -5
Ruthless murder of Westerners. I think there is little hope for that region. Democracy does not always work in all places.
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Justice
Feb 11, 2007 0:16:26 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Feb 11, 2007 0:16:26 GMT -5
Too true. Some places are better off with communism some are better off with democracy and some are better off with other forms of government. I don't see why countries insist on trying to convert a country into their form of government simply because they believe that their form is perfection incarnate, and the rest are flawed. A difference in government should be no different than a difference in religion or culture.
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Justice
Feb 12, 2007 19:02:15 GMT -5
Post by The Rogue on Feb 12, 2007 19:02:15 GMT -5
True, but even radicals fight other religions because they believe their's is the greatest and that they're right. And often times, different cultures hate each other. The perfect example is Bosnia.
I don't know why we are trying to bring democracy to the Middle East. There are only 4 democratic countries there, and only 2 of them don't have problems in the Cabinet or so. Egypt and Israel are good democracies there, and Lebanon and the Palestinian authority both have internal problems.
I say that we should let the countries have whatever type of government they want. It's THEIR countries. Now, if they need help with a revolution and ask another country, then that's a different story altogether.
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Justice
Feb 17, 2007 22:46:33 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Feb 17, 2007 22:46:33 GMT -5
That sounds like a good idea: Countries should be allowed to maintain whatever sort of government they chose, and if they want a change and they ask for help, then let them have it. (Assuming its a high majority that desires it)
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