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Post by Reno on Aug 17, 2006 22:20:17 GMT -5
I became Magus. Yes, the name used when this place was killed and reverted to Guardian Forums...
It wont be this time. This summer, I started playing lots of fantasy games. I bought fantasy stuff. I thought a fantasy username would be more fitting.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Aug 17, 2006 22:22:42 GMT -5
Welcome to my world them, nothing beats goold old Fantasy and Science Fiction. No doubt this change was inspired by your WarCraft project.
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Post by Reno on Aug 17, 2006 22:28:35 GMT -5
Maybe a bit. But not really. mainly because my room and such is becomming fantasy.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Aug 17, 2006 22:30:17 GMT -5
That would do it. Now it looks like this place is full of fantasy ans Sci Fi people...I'm OK with that.
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Post by Reno on Aug 17, 2006 22:33:12 GMT -5
Fantasy yes, Sci Fi, not really. There completly different zones.
Fantasy is Warcraft, SOM, Chrono trigger, that has magic, fate, faith, ect.
Sci Fi, is Star Trek, science, explinations, definitions, technology. they cant be put in the same catagory.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Aug 17, 2006 22:40:06 GMT -5
They different in that sense but they are accually more alike then you think. In every bookstore, fantasy and Sci Fi sections are always combined or side by side. They both are nearly pure imagination generated by great authors, (Or creators if its a game) They are beyond the present. (Past and future) Some are pressent but not most that I've seen. They both make excellent books, movies and games! Still think they are that different?
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Post by Raistlin Majere on Aug 17, 2006 22:54:08 GMT -5
Fantasy doesn't necessarily have anything to do with faith as I see it, Magus, but magic, yes. I realize that your description wasn't intended to be detailed, but there is a lot more to the fantasy "genre" than that. But it largely depends on what kind of fantasy is the topic.
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Post by Reno on Aug 17, 2006 23:08:48 GMT -5
Well, there completely different. There similar, thats why bookstores combine them, becuase there usually not big enough to have thier own section with all the crap around.
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Post by Reno on Aug 17, 2006 23:16:50 GMT -5
Driz. Was. Either way, combining Fantasy and sci fi is just odd. Your saying that If I make a signature with Magus here, and on the other side, put captain Picard, that it would look fitting.
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Post by Raistlin Majere on Aug 17, 2006 23:26:35 GMT -5
Apologies, deleted the preceding post. Keep in mind that you're taking an obviously impossible example, but I can't compare fantasy with science fiction. I guess we agree on that one point. If anyone thinks they are the same, they can't possibly understand fantasy at all. Perhaps, on the broadest scale, they are the same because they are fiction, an idea from someone's mind, but that is the most I will give it. But, of course, there are topics within topics. Still, it is interesting to note that you see faith as a large factor in your view of fantasy.
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Post by Reno on Aug 17, 2006 23:28:49 GMT -5
Well, I dont really, but it is in some fantasy. Destinity, fate, ect.
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Post by Raistlin Majere on Aug 17, 2006 23:36:34 GMT -5
Chrono Trigger, you're thinking? As for the fact that the fantasy section in book stores is so small, it is because there are so few good ones out there. Yes, Drizzt, I realize that there are tons of good books from your favored Forgotten Realms, and masterpieces of fantasy in other areas, but I refer to the fact that there are only some 4 or 5 series of fantasy that are even known, and then only to people who look for them. It is a good thing, though, as I wouldn't want fools who couldn't understand reading them.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Aug 18, 2006 0:23:34 GMT -5
You are right that Sci Fi and Fantasy are not the same, I already knew that. They are very similar despite their differences, the Sci Fi section could not survive on their own but some Fantasy secions could easily. They arn't joined because they are unpopular, just related.
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Post by buttonpresser4815 on Aug 18, 2006 21:50:16 GMT -5
Sci-fi
Science fiction (often called either sci-fi or sf, though there are distinctions in the way these abbreviations are used) is a genre of fiction in which the story depends (at least in part) upon some change in the world as we know it that is explained by science or technology (as opposed to magic).
The science fiction genre is frequently used as a literary device for creating a type of "alternate reality," wherein writers can explore human issues by way of metaphor, exaggeration, and abstraction —thus maintaining both a removed distance and a broader perspective toward current human life and events.
According to renowned science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, "a handy short definition of almost all science fiction might read: realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method." [1] Heinlein immediately adds that if you "strike out the word 'future' it can apply to all and not just almost all SF."
Science fiction author Theodore Sturgeon wrote "a good science fiction story is a story about human beings, with a human problem, and a human solution, that would not have happened at all without its science content."
According to J.O. Bailey:
"The touchstone for scientific fiction, then, is that it describes an imaginary invention or discovery in the natural sciences. The most serious pieces of this fiction arise from speculation about what may happen if science makes an extraordinary discovery. The romance is an attempt to anticipate this discovery and its impact upon society, and to foresee how mankind may adjust to the new condition." (Pilgrims Through Space and Time [New York, 1947])
Fantasy
As a genre, fantasy is both associated with and contrasted with science fiction and horror fiction. All three genres feature elements of the fantastic and make radical departures from reality or radical speculations regarding the nature of reality. Some writers and critics therefore prefer the term speculative fiction due to the frequent crossover from one genre to another. The term science fantasy is also sometimes used to describe science fiction stories that incorporate elements of fantasy, or fantasy stories that occur in settings more commonly associated with science fiction.
Further blurring the definition, some suggest there is a distinction between the fantasy genre and the more generic "fantastic", the latter referring to the use of fantasy-like elements in other fiction genres.
So ends the wikipedia definitions and begins my definitions.
In my opinion, sci-fi applies current scientific knowledge and experiments with its possibilities.
In my opinion, fantasy needs not to follow any rules of science, for other forces are enabled that allow it to be ignored, or an entirely new world is created that does the same as other forces.
Though one can argue that sci-fi does the same if say a person visits another dimension or travels to another planet, this is done by means that can be explained, though radically, by scientific means.
I know it sounds scholarly but it is completely original.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Aug 18, 2006 22:01:16 GMT -5
And a well thougth out answer that was. You made some good points there. Perhaps they are more different than I thought. I had a thought at one point that fantasy could be a Sci Fi, but due to the time period that the fantasies usually take place, people arn't advanced enough to explain it. (I'm talking about my magic theory in particular) But I see your point. Alright I'm convinced, they are quite different.
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