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"Ben"
Oct 4, 2006 22:16:08 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 4, 2006 22:16:08 GMT -5
The man who had previously disguised himself as Henry Gale, and the supposed leader of The Others was called Ben in the Season 3 premiere. If I may draw your attention to one specific part, at the beginning. It looks to me that Ben may have had some part in causing the earthquake at the beginning. Explanation for those who haven't come to this conclusion: That book club that was meeting, talking about some Stephen King book was struck by something like an earthquake. Some after-effect from Desmond's not pushing the button? Maybe. Probably. But Ben walked over after the earthquake and said something like "So I guess I can't join your book club." This, for some reason, suggested to me that he was responsible for the disruption of the book club meeting. (Via the earthquake) Though I don't find it extremely likely, he could have been somehow been involved in the plane's crash. In any case, it looks to me like Ben created "The Others" persona to fit the expectations of the crash survivors, to have a way to interact with them without actually revealing who they actually were. Thoughts about this theory or others involving Ben?
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"Ben"
Oct 5, 2006 13:45:15 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 5, 2006 13:45:15 GMT -5
I don't think he was the one who caused the crash. He doesn't want all of those people on the island in the first place, but you might have a point about the earth quake, maybe it was just some sort of alarm system to get everyboy's attention.
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"Ben"
Oct 5, 2006 13:55:34 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 5, 2006 13:55:34 GMT -5
I cannot say for certain why that theory came to mind, and I didn't state it very clearly. Look at this, though: When Locke failed to push the button at the end of season 2, there was no earthquake, as there was when Desmond failed to push the button, thereby crashing the plane. Something had to be different about those two events, because they produced different results. It seemed to me that Ben could, but not necessarily "did", have something to do with it. We simply don't know what he was doing before he came back to the house, and his statement about not being able to join the book club sounded very odd to me, perhaps there is some meaning to it--I had first thought that he might have been apologizing to Juliet about doing something to cause the earthquake, maybe a promise Ben and Juliet made between each other that he could join the book club if he stopped performing dangerous experiments. It doesn't seem that likely, but it was a train of thought that I decided to persue.
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"Ben"
Oct 11, 2006 22:50:10 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 11, 2006 22:50:10 GMT -5
To shift this topic in another direction after the coming of a new episode: Did anyone notice what else other than the serveilance of the cages was on the monitors that Ben was watching? I did not notice any specific locations, but it would be interesting if The Swan was there, but it would likely be a blank one after the events of the season 2 finale.
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"Ben"
Oct 12, 2006 16:00:41 GMT -5
Post by buttonpresser4815 on Oct 12, 2006 16:00:41 GMT -5
It was not, as for as i could see, it was just all the cages. THe swan could have been there...I dunno, but did anyone else see, in the trailer for the next epi that Locke was lying in the same position that Jack was?
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"Ben"
Oct 13, 2006 0:00:58 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 13, 2006 0:00:58 GMT -5
I think we all noticed that. After seeing that add for the next episode I crave Lost even more. I can't wait to see what happened to him and what he does next. I hope they show what happened to Eko while their at it.
As for the monitors, you might be right TMP, they all might just be cages and the monitor station there was only meant to observe that area. If they had monitors everywhere, then there would be a lot of confusion or at least difficulty. Other monitoring stations might have been observing the Swan.
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"Ben"
Oct 13, 2006 13:37:33 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 13, 2006 13:37:33 GMT -5
Granted, that wall of monitors might be specifically for the cages of their zoology subjects, but if there are some blank ones, they could, possibly be the Swan, there is no way to know, unfortunately. It can be inferred by Ben's answer to Jack's question "Why would you people still be here?" (Or something to that effect) (Ben's response, if your forgot, was something like "Yes, Jack, why would we still be here?") that the Others want to remain on the island and do not wish to return to the outside world. They at least have satellites that recieve TV signals, but that may be the limit of their contact with the world.
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"Ben"
Oct 15, 2006 3:26:57 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 15, 2006 3:26:57 GMT -5
That brings 2 ideas to my mind: They are either still working for and have contact with Dharma or they are just isolationists leeching off of resources from the mainland.
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"Ben"
Oct 16, 2006 13:38:37 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 16, 2006 13:38:37 GMT -5
The Dharma Initiative food drop-offs would seem to cancel that second theory, since the "Others" need to have some source of food (Other than fish from the ocean) and, unless the drop-off at the Swan was a ruse by the Others, the Hydra would likely recieve similar food drop-offs, wouldn't they?
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"Ben"
Oct 17, 2006 19:52:48 GMT -5
Post by buttonpresser4815 on Oct 17, 2006 19:52:48 GMT -5
I think that a notation on the blast door map(light industrial equipment) supports the theory that they make at least some of their own stuff, maybe food or building equipment. Its on the top right i think, too lazy to supply an image.
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"Ben"
Oct 17, 2006 22:48:45 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 17, 2006 22:48:45 GMT -5
If the others do have such capabilities, the island must have a lot of resources. I would think that its all from the main land.
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"Ben"
Oct 18, 2006 13:26:54 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 18, 2006 13:26:54 GMT -5
Depending on the size of the colony (Or whatever "The Others" can be called now), they could live off the land and grow their own food, but where would they get things like meat and cheese that were in the food that Jack was given? They likely raise their own animals, some to eat and some to experiment on, clearly, or are they still being sent food and supplies by the Initiative, if indeed they are the remnants of it?
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"Ben"
Oct 18, 2006 13:39:05 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 18, 2006 13:39:05 GMT -5
I would suspect that they still are the remnants of Dharma and that is where their food is comming from. Sure they could make their own food, but what about weapons and other high tech items? Not everything there could be manufactured unless they have a large supply of resources. I doubt the island has enought to sustain such a village for long.
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"Ben"
Oct 18, 2006 13:46:12 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 18, 2006 13:46:12 GMT -5
The guns and technology could just as easily been leftover equipment from the Initiative. But since either the research (On zoology, at least) is still going or it isn't, we don't really know. The work still could be continuing, since there is still live polar bears running around the island and other Dharma handiwork, unless the previous research group was working on expanding life spans. . . uncertain. It seems that these people are researchers from the Dharma Initiative, judging by Juliet's admission and Sawyer's captor's taunting him about how it only took two hours for the bears to earn a fish biscuit, but whether or not the Initiative itself is still alive or not could still be in question. And part of the answer to that question could be whether or not they get their food and supplies from Dharma drop-offs or they are just living off remaining equipment and home-grown food.
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"Ben"
Oct 18, 2006 17:33:06 GMT -5
Post by buttonpresser4815 on Oct 18, 2006 17:33:06 GMT -5
Or perhaps the Others are part of the utopian social----- (engineering) experiment. If you noticed how perfect and worldly their village was, it seems perfect. See my Dharma Initiative Theory For more on this theory. If they are an experiment, like those inthe Swan, i imagine they would get a periodical series of food/supply drops.
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