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"Ben"
Oct 18, 2006 23:17:43 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 18, 2006 23:17:43 GMT -5
At least possible, but they are certainly very willing test subjects. The Swan appeared to be an experiment, but with quite real consequences, it seems. Though, upon examination and new information, no one was "harmed" as such by not pushing the button, but they could have been, by debri and such. Moving on, The Pearl was an experiment monitoring an experiment, apparently, since their notebooks went to nowhere. Are all the stations like this, or is The Hyrda real,in the sense that they do serious research? They seem to produce real results, unlike The Pearl.
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"Ben"
Oct 18, 2006 23:27:30 GMT -5
Post by Reno on Oct 18, 2006 23:27:30 GMT -5
Yes, I belvie, the Pearl was a fake, to make Locke click, and loose fate, as if someone wanting that to happen.
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"Ben"
Oct 18, 2006 23:37:08 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 18, 2006 23:37:08 GMT -5
These recent events all seem to be about anticipating the future. Your thinking is that The Pearl was created for the express purpose of making Locke lose faith in the island, only to gain it back stronger than ever? Then was the Pearl there on the island for a long time, ever since the Dharma Initiative apparently abandoned it, or is it a fake hatch, not really related, just to, again, make Locke lose faith? Does that put the Pearl's creation as being recent, or does the island itself have a part in this, I wonder.
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"Ben"
Oct 19, 2006 13:38:27 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 19, 2006 13:38:27 GMT -5
It's an interesting question, and I would not be too surprised if the Pearl was there only make Locke lose his faith. It wouldn't be the first time when something like that was planned just for him. He was earlier chosen to try to uncover that green house since he would be easily perswaded by that young cop.
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"Ben"
Oct 20, 2006 22:11:40 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 20, 2006 22:11:40 GMT -5
Partly right. Locke wasn't chosen as such to uncover the greenhouse--rather he was chosen by the police to lead them to the greenhouse because, due to his profile, they thought that he would be a good target for coersion.
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"Ben"
Oct 21, 2006 1:23:47 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 21, 2006 1:23:47 GMT -5
That's what I was trying to say but in trying to link that event with the pearl theory, it made more sense to state it like that.
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"Ben"
Oct 24, 2006 13:41:32 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 24, 2006 13:41:32 GMT -5
Not really, as it turns out, but I think everyone gets the idea. So, next episode it looks like Ben is going to: #1: Show Sawyer something very disturbing to him, what that is, we don't know #2: Apparently try to con the con man. Also, what he plans to do, we don't have any idea.
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"Ben"
Oct 25, 2006 21:34:39 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 25, 2006 21:34:39 GMT -5
We do now. Apparently Ben ben just brought Sawyer to that spot to show him that the others lived on an entirely different island, one way smaller then the other one. As for conning the con man, it was just an attempt to gain Sayers respect (in one fashion) and to put doubt in him. I'd say Ben did a good job of that.
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"Ben"
Oct 25, 2006 23:07:11 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 25, 2006 23:07:11 GMT -5
Well, Ben did continue to give doubts to Sawyer, but weak ones. Sawyer still doesn't know with one hundred percent certainty that the pacemaker isn't there after all, but Ben didn't really pursue the idea, so it can be assumed that it was, like it seems, just a con.
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"Ben"
Oct 25, 2006 23:23:23 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 25, 2006 23:23:23 GMT -5
True, but Sawyer might not assume that. He is unsure of what to believe now. The bunny certainly made him question Ben's sincerity. He wouldn't even give Sawyer a clue that in fact that bunny he brought with him was the same one Sawyer had seen earlier that day.
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"Ben"
Oct 26, 2006 21:03:14 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 26, 2006 21:03:14 GMT -5
Hm? The "8" painted on the bunny, perhaps? That was Ben's attempt to convince Sawyer, thought he didn't reassure Sawyer that it was the same bunny. He could still be conning Sawyer, but it seems unlikely, as it wouldn't serve much of a purpose now.
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"Ben"
Oct 26, 2006 22:31:39 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 26, 2006 22:31:39 GMT -5
Oh but it could. It's always good to keep your prisoners confused, especially with a man as dangerous as Sawyer. Ben seems intent on keep the truth from Sawyer, so that would suggest that he could still be conning him.
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"Ben"
Oct 27, 2006 20:22:48 GMT -5
Post by Raistlin Majere on Oct 27, 2006 20:22:48 GMT -5
But if his heart was actually going to explode, how would that benefit Ben? His plan was to con Sawyer to gain his respect, to let Sawyer know that he can't trick them. Why would Ben lie about it, then have Sawyer die? If Ben actually has a tumor on his spine and brought Jack to fix it, maybe he has a use for Sawyer and Kate as well, I doubt he'd kill them off.
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"Ben"
Oct 28, 2006 22:18:08 GMT -5
Post by buttonpresser4815 on Oct 28, 2006 22:18:08 GMT -5
Pickett or whoever that was said that Ben wont kill him because he still needs him. I am curious as to the nature of this purpose.
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"Ben"
Oct 29, 2006 12:04:35 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 29, 2006 12:04:35 GMT -5
My theory is for some sort of experiments. He and Kate could just be lab rats. It's possible considering that they were put in cages meant to test reactions. It was just meant for bears but I guess it works just fine for human too.
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